You've had the opportunity to travel around the world with Jack. How has world travel changed you? Traveling around the world has definitely broadened my horizons in terms of my appreciation for other cultures and appreciating the uniqueness of individuals. But also, the realization of how valuable education is throughout the world.

My favorite quote as far as conservation goes is "we can serve what we love, we can love what we know and we know what we're taught." When you go to third world countries it's very evident that education is critical as far as preserving our wildlife.

You're quite the fisherperson whereas Jack isn't necessarily one. What is it that you enjoy so much about the sport?

There's so much more to fishing than just the fishing - it's your surroundings as well. Being able to meditate and look out and see, for instance, today the majestic mountains covered with snow like confectionery sugar. It's just incredible. And then to see the birds flying around and hearing the music of their sounds and listening in to the other sounds of nature. To see the water cascade over the rocks and even to just see the grass blow in the wind, it's a special time for me.

Of course, here the special treat is having the bears being your neighbors. To just have a bear, oh fifty feet away, sitting there eating his fish and you're out there and you're fishing as well. But, also just to be able to see the fish. I get such a thrill out of being able to see the iridescent rainbow trout. It just amazes me - this incredible animal and this beautiful, beautiful pink stripe that covers them. I really do like the technique of trying to throw that line. It's not easy to do and it's one of those things that when you finally, finally learn how to do it, it gives you a special thrill to know that you accomplished it.

We had the opportunity to travel to Africa together earlier this year. What was it about that trip that you remember most?

What country were we in? (laughing) Was this the time I was in Botswana?!

Yes, Botswana and South Africa. Vumbura, Duma Tau, Chitabe·

Well, I can remember the thing that made me the most nervous on that trip. My daughter was trying to look at this chameleon named George. We had a chameleon at home - same kind. She was trying to have this chameleon walk on her hand and she didn't want to disturb it by picking it up. But, it just wouldn't go in her hand and she's very, very patient. Anybody else would've just picked it up. So, it just stayed there for about ten minutes and she could not understand why this chameleon would not walk on her hand.

Then she noticed the side of this chameleon was turning gray and she thought, oh, well, must be camouflage because chameleons can change colors. And then she thought, gee, he's turning gray. Then all of the sudden she turned around and saw two black eyes staring at her and it was a Green Momba - which is a deadly, deadly snake.

And she jumped back. She screamed. She said, "there's a snake in there" and we thought, oh, there can't be a snake in this little clearing. But, there were some bushes and sure enough, we saw this Green Momba and it came running out. They panicked because they know how poisonous this snake is. Our guide said, "this is very dangerous situation. Julie really, really lucky, lucky." I'll never forget him saying that. He was very serious when he said that. He said that was a very dangerous situation - especially being at head level like that. That was the most dangerous incident and I certainly had nightmares about that.